Robinson, if his DNA is on the 30-06 Mauser in the woods, and can be also proven with facial recognition to have been on the Losee Center roof, but without this particular weapon found in the woods, then Tyler is merely an accomplice to a well-crafted bait-n-distract operation.
About the ballistics. There are no common calibers that are both subsonic, low grain, and can be counted on to make a kill. Especially from 140+ yards. There are people who shoot 22lr sub at that distance for fun but the energy is so low it could not do what was done to Charlie and the report is so tame that it can be done without hearing protection.
Low mass x low velocity = low energy
It's energy on target that kills. Almost all calibers that are generally used for hunting or in battle (counted on to make kills) are supersonic rounds, usually 2000+ feet per second, mostly closer to 3000 fps. The ones that are not supersonic are heavy.
Also, its a rare bullet design that could manage to fragment at subsonic speeds. Most fragmenting rounds need the 2000+ fps that they are usually shot at in order to come apart on impact.
I generally thought it was a supersonic round....though others, believe it wasn't.
On that point, I would say it would make more sense. What ever the package (gun, grain, shell) actually is - there has to be a way to duplicate the conditions to test out the validity of this, including field conditions.
Depending on how many audio recordings they have available it seems they could pinpoint the exact location of the shot based on the moment that each mic "heard" the shot. In such a high profile case you would think they would go through the trouble of doing that analysis even if they already think they know the exact location.
I don't have to accept it as it currently is presented. The State of Utah has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. We shall see exactly how they go about doing that.
I do know a little about evil presented - as my dad was uniquely predisposed to such. Intelligent - more so than I - he found a desire in hurting others, a delight, I saw that first hand growing up until around age 10. He too learned it early - and his 4 marriages, 9.5 years in Ft. Leavenworth for an extremely heinous crime, showed as you put, "A man whose grievances metastasized into ideology, whose narcissism sought validation in violence." That barely scratches the surface with my father's path and deeds, but its on the right path.
The public doesn't have to invent puppet masters.
They are readily available for us to see everyday.
I've seen evil people, in mass, during one's confinement - 2 years - around people 24-7-365 that one doesn't want to be around for even 5 minutes.
"Jamie Morris is the divisional chief financial officer for both Global Development and Global Growth & Opportunity. Her primary responsibilities include helping develop and execute resource plans for foundation strategies and providing analytic, business, and operational support to support both divisions."
She is an ideolog, rewarded as such, and has the inflated ego to match. (Very much a globalist and non-supportive of the US, going back into our high school years. Wrote her senior thesis on the European Union being the best way forward.)
Little did I know she would rise to be a chief of finance - long time operator (15 years) - for the guy that steers the WHO's direction through massive funding and was clearly pleased with the pandemic's ramp up and the burying of his connections to Jeffrey Epstein who obviously hung himself as well.
If Tyler Robinson gets convicted of murder - the conspiracy point will be conceded.
You shall have won the debate. YEAH!
If the State has clearly made the case - we should hope for that outcome. If the STATE does not - then what was the flaw? Were all the jurors too blinded to see the obvious?
Again, time will tell a lot. Most things can be put to rest BY those at the TOP.
But instead, they exploit both the conspiracy (2 or more people operating to an end) folks and those who want to see evil as merely a one-man band.
Actually, I've got a whole post dedicated to that as well:
Jason, I appreciate the honesty and depth of your comment — especially your openness about your father and your time around real darkness. That kind of experience gives weight to what you’re saying.
You’re right that evil doesn’t hide in the abstract; it’s right there in front of us, sometimes wearing very ordinary faces. Where I differ is in assuming that the presence of real evil automatically implies an organized hierarchy directing it from above. I think the historical and forensic evidence in cases like Oswald or Booth shows that individuals can act with full intelligence, malice, and autonomy — and still be devastatingly effective without handlers.
As for Utah, I agree completely that the State must prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. If they can’t, that’s on them. I’m not rooting for a narrative — I’m rooting for clarity, wherever it lands.
Your larger point about exploitation from the top is fair; I just don’t think every atrocity needs a pyramid chart behind it. Sometimes evil’s efficiency is the most terrifying thing about it.
My dad wasn't apart of an org chart. Jamie Morris is. And - I wasn't suggesting Robinson was apart of some in-depth org chart. But, he didn't fire a 30-06 with the rounds from 140 yards and create so little visible damage to Kirk. Other weapons experts - visible displays reflect this - Kirk's head would have been....a mess.
Wrong weapon for the deed. SO - that alone, shows misdirection and deceit - something evil is typically well versed in doing. 2nd weapon - the one that completed the task on Kirk.
Robinson's ROTC loving days, led to a clue one found. A person - not a weapon.
And their animus is quite public - until recently.
I was in AFROTC - in college - and I met some characters who were amply prepared to do things for a cause. (I wasn't at all- it was 1990. I left AFROTC after 1 semester, but later joined the US NAVY.)
Jason, I appreciate the follow-up and your firsthand perspective from ROTC and the Navy. I agree that evil often hides behind misdirection — but that’s true whether it’s a lone actor or a network.
As for the weapon issue, I’ve read the same claims, but the official forensic findings haven’t supported the “wrong gun” theory. Ballistics don’t hinge on speculation; they hinge on measurable evidence, and so far nothing publicly released indicates a second weapon or shooter.
If more credible data comes out, I’ll reassess — but until then, I’ll stick with what’s verifiable, not what merely fits the pattern we expect.
About the ballistics. There are no common calibers that are both subsonic, low grain, and can be counted on to make a kill. Especially from 140+ yards. There are people who shoot 22lr sub at that distance for fun but the energy is so low it could not do what was done to Charlie and the report is so tame that it can be done without hearing protection.
Low mass x low velocity = low energy
It's energy on target that kills. Almost all calibers that are generally used for hunting or in battle (counted on to make kills) are supersonic rounds, usually 2000+ feet per second, mostly closer to 3000 fps. The ones that are not supersonic are heavy.
Also, its a rare bullet design that could manage to fragment at subsonic speeds. Most fragmenting rounds need the 2000+ fps that they are usually shot at in order to come apart on impact.
I generally thought it was a supersonic round....though others, believe it wasn't.
On that point, I would say it would make more sense. What ever the package (gun, grain, shell) actually is - there has to be a way to duplicate the conditions to test out the validity of this, including field conditions.
Thanks for this input.
Depending on how many audio recordings they have available it seems they could pinpoint the exact location of the shot based on the moment that each mic "heard" the shot. In such a high profile case you would think they would go through the trouble of doing that analysis even if they already think they know the exact location.
The Psychology of the Patsy Frame. Why we can’t accept that intelligent killers act alone.
https://turfseer.substack.com/p/the-psychology-of-the-patsy-frame
I don't have to accept it as it currently is presented. The State of Utah has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. We shall see exactly how they go about doing that.
I do know a little about evil presented - as my dad was uniquely predisposed to such. Intelligent - more so than I - he found a desire in hurting others, a delight, I saw that first hand growing up until around age 10. He too learned it early - and his 4 marriages, 9.5 years in Ft. Leavenworth for an extremely heinous crime, showed as you put, "A man whose grievances metastasized into ideology, whose narcissism sought validation in violence." That barely scratches the surface with my father's path and deeds, but its on the right path.
The public doesn't have to invent puppet masters.
They are readily available for us to see everyday.
I've seen evil people, in mass, during one's confinement - 2 years - around people 24-7-365 that one doesn't want to be around for even 5 minutes.
Another operative personal example.
A gal that runs Bill Gates finances for 2 of his divisions - that has an endowment of $77.2 billion as of December 31, 2024 - was once a high school classmate, Jamie Morris: https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/leadership/jamie-morris
"Jamie Morris is the divisional chief financial officer for both Global Development and Global Growth & Opportunity. Her primary responsibilities include helping develop and execute resource plans for foundation strategies and providing analytic, business, and operational support to support both divisions."
She is an ideolog, rewarded as such, and has the inflated ego to match. (Very much a globalist and non-supportive of the US, going back into our high school years. Wrote her senior thesis on the European Union being the best way forward.)
Little did I know she would rise to be a chief of finance - long time operator (15 years) - for the guy that steers the WHO's direction through massive funding and was clearly pleased with the pandemic's ramp up and the burying of his connections to Jeffrey Epstein who obviously hung himself as well.
If Tyler Robinson gets convicted of murder - the conspiracy point will be conceded.
You shall have won the debate. YEAH!
If the State has clearly made the case - we should hope for that outcome. If the STATE does not - then what was the flaw? Were all the jurors too blinded to see the obvious?
Again, time will tell a lot. Most things can be put to rest BY those at the TOP.
But instead, they exploit both the conspiracy (2 or more people operating to an end) folks and those who want to see evil as merely a one-man band.
Actually, I've got a whole post dedicated to that as well:
https://jasonpowers.substack.com/p/mp3-the-hierarchy-of-horrible-humans
Jason, I appreciate the honesty and depth of your comment — especially your openness about your father and your time around real darkness. That kind of experience gives weight to what you’re saying.
You’re right that evil doesn’t hide in the abstract; it’s right there in front of us, sometimes wearing very ordinary faces. Where I differ is in assuming that the presence of real evil automatically implies an organized hierarchy directing it from above. I think the historical and forensic evidence in cases like Oswald or Booth shows that individuals can act with full intelligence, malice, and autonomy — and still be devastatingly effective without handlers.
As for Utah, I agree completely that the State must prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. If they can’t, that’s on them. I’m not rooting for a narrative — I’m rooting for clarity, wherever it lands.
Your larger point about exploitation from the top is fair; I just don’t think every atrocity needs a pyramid chart behind it. Sometimes evil’s efficiency is the most terrifying thing about it.
My dad wasn't apart of an org chart. Jamie Morris is. And - I wasn't suggesting Robinson was apart of some in-depth org chart. But, he didn't fire a 30-06 with the rounds from 140 yards and create so little visible damage to Kirk. Other weapons experts - visible displays reflect this - Kirk's head would have been....a mess.
Wrong weapon for the deed. SO - that alone, shows misdirection and deceit - something evil is typically well versed in doing. 2nd weapon - the one that completed the task on Kirk.
Robinson's ROTC loving days, led to a clue one found. A person - not a weapon.
And their animus is quite public - until recently.
I was in AFROTC - in college - and I met some characters who were amply prepared to do things for a cause. (I wasn't at all- it was 1990. I left AFROTC after 1 semester, but later joined the US NAVY.)
Jason, I appreciate the follow-up and your firsthand perspective from ROTC and the Navy. I agree that evil often hides behind misdirection — but that’s true whether it’s a lone actor or a network.
As for the weapon issue, I’ve read the same claims, but the official forensic findings haven’t supported the “wrong gun” theory. Ballistics don’t hinge on speculation; they hinge on measurable evidence, and so far nothing publicly released indicates a second weapon or shooter.
If more credible data comes out, I’ll reassess — but until then, I’ll stick with what’s verifiable, not what merely fits the pattern we expect.